Humanity? I didn’t have a say in any of this shit.
But I have to ask, why is it that easterners are so ready to blame everyone on this side of the world in bulk every time? I’ve even heard “the hubris of the west”. No, fuck that, the hubris of the few in the West.
Do you realize there’s more going on than the US over here? If you mean the US administration, then say the US administration. Why involve everyone else?
I get tired of people in the US and in Europe always flexing on others and always playing the moral high ground. Of course, this is not everyone but I see it enough.
Meanwhile, many of these people cheer for Israel and other western countries whenever in a conflict and always make excuses for why it’s “good”.
I will admit, looking at the polls people seem to finally be shifting away from some of these notions.
I know I threw a slogan out, so I won’t actually blame everyone, but some acknowledgement of the wrongs would be nice by those who insist the west is better than everyone else.
Because your administration is elected. Westerners like to say “but we don’t support this!!!” but somehow manage to justify almost every individual act of imperialism. Afghanistan? Check. Iraq? Check. Everything Israel has been doing for the last 60 years? Check. An actual, honest to God Holocaust? Check*. Jury’s still out on Iran, but I’m not hopeful. I was called a Russian troll more times than I can count on Lemmy, a supposedly left-leaning space, for pointing out Biden’s complicity and Harris’s support for Israel’s genocide. I remember the reaction to Uncommitted. This isn’t everyone, obviously, but it’s more than enough. I mean, remove the active supporters and complacent liberals and you have what? 5% of the population? So to answer your question:
But I have to ask, why is it that easterners are so ready to blame everyone on this side of the world in bulk every time?
Because the things we blame the West for are done using your tax dollars by politicians you elect.
*this one with lesser evil politics rather than outright support, but that distinction matters very little.
I’m Mexican. My administration is at best getting dragged down into this. I mean, our democracy is stronger than it has ever been and directly opposes 47.
Because the things we blame the West for are done using your tax dollars by politicians you elect.
Not my tax dollars, not my politicians, not my elections.
In that case Mexico isn’t part of the political bloc known as the West, so it’s not included when I or someone else says Western this or Westerners that.
I’m not about to start splitting hairs about which definition to use for the West. Although it largely depends on how the West is defined, most often than not we’re included in the Western civilization by cultural and political overlap, and also by proximity.
And even if you don’t consider us part of the West, I will speak out on behalf of the rest of Latin American continent that, save for whatever the hell is happening with Bukele kissing fash ass, they’ve largely kept out of things and they are unquestionably part of the Western bloc proper.
Lumping people together like this is just gross. It’s much like when people call all Asians Chinese because they can’t bother with the differences and it just sounds inappropriate.
Okay here’s one way to see if you’re from the West: Is your media manufacturing consent for a war with Iran? Does your country consider Israel an indispensable ally? Are you ramping up or being asked to ramp up defense spending to respond to the Russian threat? Did you send troops to Afghanistan? Did your country impose non-UN sanctions on Iran? Does the Middle East form an important part of your country’s foreign policy?
If the answer to all or most of these is no, you are not part of the West, or at least not in a way that is relevant to this conversation.
Lumping people together like this is just gross.
Then they can stop following daddy USA’s party line and do something, anything to differentiate themselves from America’s little gang of imperialists.
Those are questions to determine if you’re at war with Iran.
No, they’re questions to determine how involved you are in Western foreign policy.
We have done quite a few, actually. That’s my entire point.
Again, I’m not talking about Latin America here. It’s a matter of debate whether Latin America is part of the West, and since I’m usually more interested in the politics than the culture I subscribe to the definition that says it doesn’t, as do most people who criticize the West in general. I mean compare Mexico with Canada in terms of foreign policy and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
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Humanity? I didn’t have a say in any of this shit.
But I have to ask, why is it that easterners are so ready to blame everyone on this side of the world in bulk every time? I’ve even heard “the hubris of the west”. No, fuck that, the hubris of the few in the West.
Do you realize there’s more going on than the US over here? If you mean the US administration, then say the US administration. Why involve everyone else?
I get tired of people in the US and in Europe always flexing on others and always playing the moral high ground. Of course, this is not everyone but I see it enough.
Meanwhile, many of these people cheer for Israel and other western countries whenever in a conflict and always make excuses for why it’s “good”.
I will admit, looking at the polls people seem to finally be shifting away from some of these notions.
I know I threw a slogan out, so I won’t actually blame everyone, but some acknowledgement of the wrongs would be nice by those who insist the west is better than everyone else.
Because your administration is elected. Westerners like to say “but we don’t support this!!!” but somehow manage to justify almost every individual act of imperialism. Afghanistan? Check. Iraq? Check. Everything Israel has been doing for the last 60 years? Check. An actual, honest to God Holocaust? Check*. Jury’s still out on Iran, but I’m not hopeful. I was called a Russian troll more times than I can count on Lemmy, a supposedly left-leaning space, for pointing out Biden’s complicity and Harris’s support for Israel’s genocide. I remember the reaction to Uncommitted. This isn’t everyone, obviously, but it’s more than enough. I mean, remove the active supporters and complacent liberals and you have what? 5% of the population? So to answer your question:
Because the things we blame the West for are done using your tax dollars by politicians you elect.
*this one with lesser evil politics rather than outright support, but that distinction matters very little.
I’m Mexican. My administration is at best getting dragged down into this. I mean, our democracy is stronger than it has ever been and directly opposes 47.
Not my tax dollars, not my politicians, not my elections.
In that case Mexico isn’t part of the political bloc known as the West, so it’s not included when I or someone else says Western this or Westerners that.
I’m not about to start splitting hairs about which definition to use for the West. Although it largely depends on how the West is defined, most often than not we’re included in the Western civilization by cultural and political overlap, and also by proximity.
And even if you don’t consider us part of the West, I will speak out on behalf of the rest of Latin American continent that, save for whatever the hell is happening with Bukele kissing fash ass, they’ve largely kept out of things and they are unquestionably part of the Western bloc proper.
Lumping people together like this is just gross. It’s much like when people call all Asians Chinese because they can’t bother with the differences and it just sounds inappropriate.
Okay here’s one way to see if you’re from the West: Is your media manufacturing consent for a war with Iran? Does your country consider Israel an indispensable ally? Are you ramping up or being asked to ramp up defense spending to respond to the Russian threat? Did you send troops to Afghanistan? Did your country impose non-UN sanctions on Iran? Does the Middle East form an important part of your country’s foreign policy?
If the answer to all or most of these is no, you are not part of the West, or at least not in a way that is relevant to this conversation.
Then they can stop following daddy USA’s party line and do something, anything to differentiate themselves from America’s little gang of imperialists.
Those are questions to determine if you’re at war with Iran.
We have done quite a few, actually. That’s my entire point.
No, they’re questions to determine how involved you are in Western foreign policy.
Again, I’m not talking about Latin America here. It’s a matter of debate whether Latin America is part of the West, and since I’m usually more interested in the politics than the culture I subscribe to the definition that says it doesn’t, as do most people who criticize the West in general. I mean compare Mexico with Canada in terms of foreign policy and you’ll see what I’m talking about.